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[forest341]

On this forum's "Main Page", there is a bunch of photos showing some shooters. On the bottom center is a photo of someone aiming a scoped gun from a creedmore position. The photo is small, but it sure looks to me like he is supporting the pistol with the top of his boot that is under his jeans. I was told that is not legal. Has that rule been changed?

[dhagerty40x]

On this forum's "Main Page", there is a bunch of photos showing some shooters. On the bottom center is a photo of someone aiming a scoped gun from a creedmore position. The photo is small, but it sure looks to me like he is supporting the pistol with the top of his boot that is under his jeans. I was told that is not legal. Has that rule been changed?

That photo appears to be modified Dead frog position and it is laying on top of the boot which is legal. it is technically illegal to shove the gun into the top of the boot, But nobody ever enforces it anymore.

[aggshooter]

To expound a bit more, using the top of the boot to support the gun is illegal. If the gun is slid down the pant leg to the boot and then raised up, the boot is not supporting the gun although the fold in the pant leg makes it appear so. It is a fine line separating legal & illegal and one that a lot of match directors, including myself, have had to face. The obvious solution comes from the shooter, just wear sneakers or shorter boots. Personally, I detested the shooter that put me in the position that I had to resolve such a complaint/protest.

[forest341]

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[dhagerty40x]

I looked at the 2016 edition of our rules and found the following:

page 9, Section V, Paragraph A Freestyle, Item 3, reads:

3. The following conditions constitute an artificial support and are not allowed:
A) Nesting the barrel or fore end in/on the top part of a shoe or boot
B) Supporting the handgun across the sole or notch of the heel
C) Nesting the barrel or fore end in/on a crease or wrinkle of a blast shield, boot, pant leg, sock, or other article of clothing.

I thought we claridied this part a long time ago, but not sure.

I blew up the photo in question and it is legal. if just laying the gun on top of your pant leg caused a crease, that is not classified as Artificial support.

If you look closely, the actual top of the boot is about an inch under the gun, so it is not resting on there.

comes down to this:
1. you cannot lay the gun onto the top of your boot.
2. no part of the gun can touch the firing line or shooting mat.
3. You technically cannot Jam the forend of the gun into your leg.

If anybody calls you on anything other than above, they are nitpicking it.

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[Jimologist]

If technically you cannot jam the fore end into your leg, why is that not stated in the rules?

It may have been in the unauthorized orange supplement but it isn’t in our current rule book.



Jim Kesser

[dhagerty40x]

If technically you cannot jam the fore end into your leg, why is that not stated in the rules?

It may have been in the unauthorized orange supplement but it isn’t in our current rule book.



Jim Kesser

Mainly because I got called on it during a championship. Reason given to me was jamming the gun into your leg causes a heavy crease in the clothes which is in violation of the Artificial support. It is also the reason I said 'Technically' as it does not state it anywhere about jamming a gun into your leg.

[Jimologist]

I think I would have challenged that ruling. It is impossible to enforce a rule that isn’t there.

Jim