If IHMSA was starting today...

[kerdunk]

What were the 4 categories when IHMSA started? Production/Unlimited shot Standing/Freestyle - all Big Bore?

[i26963]

Production, Revolver, Unlimited, which were shot freestyle,and standing, which used a Production gun.
Melvin

[forest341]

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[braud357]

Production, Revolver, Unlimited, which were shot freestyle,and standing, which used a Production gun.
Melvin

Correction: There were only 3 original categories - Production, Unlimited, and Production Standing. Revolver Freestyle was added in 1981 - before then they were comsidered Production, and competed with the single-shots ! Revolvers still had to compete "heads-up" against the single-shots in Production Standing.

[kerdunk]

Here is a suggestion for a new match structure;

1. Simplify the "classification" of skill level.
A. WAS: C, B, A, AA, AAA, & INT
B. NOW: A, B, & C
C. this is simple
D. we currently don't have enough entries to be bothering with breaking out 4 or so shooters into 3 of the lower classes

2. Everyone starts their career as a "C" classification shooter.

3. The basic match is 20 shots, 10 chickens & 10 pigs.
A. this will be quicker
B. require less expensive ammo

4. Once a shooter can knock over all 10 chickens off, they move up to "B" classification.

5. Once a shooter can knock over all 10 chickens & 10 pigs over, they move up to "A" classification.
A. they no longer will need to shoot chickens & pigs again for that pistol category, ever
B. they would be then eligible to move to the next further distance

6. "A" classified shooters will start their entry with first shooting chickens at what was the turkey line.
A. if all 10 chickens are knocked off, the shooter can then proceed to the next further out distance
B. if all targets are not knocked over, the entry is then done for that match
C. this will reduce match time
D. this will reduce lots of real good shooters burning lots of expensive ammo on easy (for them) targets

7. Any shooter that "cleaned" the prior targets can then move to next distance at what was the ram line.
A. Instead of full sized rams, the targets will be full sized pigs

8. If a shooter can knock over all 10 pigs at the furthest distance, they can then be eligible for the shoot-offs.

9. There will be one winner per category.
A. no more participation awards for everyone who competed
B. highest score wins, period
C. this will save on the expense & trouble of having plaques made and guessing how many current "AA", "A", "B", & "C" classified shooters will be
at any given match.
D. Plaques are a real chore.
E. One winner, one plaque. Simple
F. Everyone else will just have to shoot better next time

10. Shoot-off stage can be whatever the club wants it to be, just like it is now.

11. This structure will allow a match to start with shooters at both the "chicken" bank & the "turkey" banks being used.
A. that is double the shooters at one time
B. right now, it is not until relay 4 that all distances are used
C. currently matches are slow to proceed at the start because of only chickens being shot at

12. Eventually as all shooter's skills become elevated to the "A" classification, the chicken & pig banks won't be needed at all.
A. That would free up the pig line for sighters, or some kind of shoot-off in mid match, reducing shooters waiting on final scores

I’d shoot in this match!

[i26963]

Production, Revolver, Unlimited, which were shot freestyle,and standing, which used a Production gun.
Melvin

Correction: There were only 3 original categories - Production, Unlimited, and Production Standing. Revolver Freestyle was added in 1981 - before then they were comsidered Production, and competed with the single-shots ! Revolvers still had to compete "heads-up" against the single-shots in Production Standing.

Hey, Philip
Thanks for the correction, there were 4 when I started I 1981.
Melvin

[high standard 40]

Here is a suggestion for a new match structure;

1. Simplify the skill "classification" system.
A. it currently is 6 "classes consisting of: C, B, A, AA, AAA, & INT
B. should be 3: A, B, & C
C. this is simple
D. we currently don't have enough entries to be bothering with breaking out 4 or so shooter's into 3 of the lower class winners

2. Everyone starts their career as a "C" classification shooter.

3. The match is a earn to play system. If you can knock over all 10 chickens, you have earned the opportunity to move on to the next stage of shooting at the pigs. If you can knock over all 10 pigs, you have earned the opportunity to move on again.

4. The basic match is 10 shots at chickens & 10 shots at the pigs, 20 x 20.
A. this would still remain the hard challenge enough for "standing" shooters
B. require less of our expensive ammo

5. Once a shooter can knock over all 10 chickens off, they move up to "B" classification.

6. Once a shooter can knock over all 10 chickens & 10 pigs over, they move up to "A" classification.
A. they no longer will need to shoot chickens & pigs again for that pistol category, ever (except for "standing").
B. they would be then eligible to move to the next further distance

7. "A" classified shooters will start their entry with first shooting chickens at what was the turkey line.
A. if all 10 chickens (at turkey distance) are knocked off, the shooter has earned the opportunity to go to the next further out distance
B. if all targets are not knocked over, the entry is then done for that match, for that pistol type category
C. this will reduce match time
D. this will reduce the amount of real good shooters burning lots of their expensive ammo & time on easy (for them) chicken & pig targets.

8. Any shooter that "cleaned" the prior targets can then move to next distance at what was the ram line.
A. Instead of full sized rams, the targets will be full sized pigs.

9. Shooting the smaller targets will allow us to avoid the cartridge "horsepower" wars of old, and all their safety issues.
A. it will be more of a accuracy game then it already has been.
B. More of a straight up shooting challenge, then a hunting capable pistol cartridge test

10. If a shooter can knock over all 10 pigs at the furthest distance, they can then be eligible for the shoot-off.

11. There will be one winner per category.
A. no more participation awards for everyone who competed
B. highest score wins, period
C. this will save on the expense & trouble of having plaques made and guessing how many current "AA", "A", "B", & "C" classified shooters will be
at any given match.
D. Plaques are a real chore.
E. One winner, one plaque. Simple
F. Everyone else will just have to shoot better next time

12. Shoot-off stage can be whatever the club wants it to be, just like it is now.

13. This structure will allow a match to start with shooters at both the "chicken" bank & the "turkey" banks being used.
A. that is double the shooters at one time
B. right now, it is not until relay 4 that all distances are used
C. currently matches are slow to proceed at the start because of only chickens are being shot at

14. Eventually as all shooter's skills become elevated to the "A" classification, the chicken & pig banks won't be needed at all (except for "standing").
A. That would free up the pig line for sighters, or some kind of shoot-off in mid match, reducing shooters waiting on final scores

I understand the three classes. What Categories would you suggest? Plus, I can see this freshening up the sport for current shooters but I don't see it attracting new shooters, given the current shooting sport public.

[aggshooter]

Production, Revolver, Unlimited, which were shot freestyle,and standing, which used a Production gun.
Melvin

Ditto, for when I started in 1983. I don't know that .22 events were sanctioned, I can't remember shooting a 22 championship back then, I'd have to look it up. The 1987 Internationals was BB only.

[aggshooter]

Here is a suggestion for a new match structure;

1. Simplify the skill "classification" system.
A. it currently is 6 "classes consisting of: C, B, A, AA, AAA, & INT
B. should be 3: A, B, & C
C. this is simple
D. we currently don't have enough entries to be bothering with breaking out 4 or so shooter's into 3 of the lower class winners

2. Everyone starts their career as a "C" classification shooter.

3. The match is a earn to play system. If you can knock over all 10 chickens, you have earned the opportunity to move on to the next stage of shooting at the pigs. If you can knock over all 10 pigs, you have earned the opportunity to move on again.

4. The basic match is 10 shots at a time, starting with the chickens, 10 x 10.
A. this would still remain the hard challenge enough for "standing" shooters
B. will consume less of our expensive ammo

5. Once a shooter has knocked over all 10 chickens, their classification changes to "B".

6. Once a shooter can knock over all 10 chickens & 10 pigs, their classification changes to "A".
A. they no longer will need to shoot chickens & pigs again for that pistol category, ever (except for "standing").
B. they would be then eligible to move to the next further distance

7. "A" classified shooters will start their entry with first shooting at chickens on what was is now the turkey line.
A. if all 10 chickens (at turkey distance) are knocked off, the shooter has earned the opportunity to go to the next further out distance
B. if all targets are NOT knocked over, the entry is then done for that match, for that pistol type category
C. this will reduce match time
D. this will reduce the amount of real good shooters burning lots of their expensive ammo & time on easy (for them) chicken & pig targets.

8. Any shooter that "cleaned" the prior targets can then move to next distance at what was is now the ram line.
A. Instead of full sized rams, the targets will be full sized pigs.

9. Shooting the smaller targets will allow us to avoid the cartridge "horsepower" wars of old, and all their safety issues.
A. it will be more of a accuracy game then it already has been.
B. More of a straight up shooting challenge, then a hunting power capable pistol cartridge test

10. If a shooter can knock over all 10 pigs at the furthest distance, they can then be eligible for the shoot-off.

11. This system would be like Olympic Rifle scoring.
A. The winner will have a score much higher then the rest, simply because of earning the opportunities to shoot the the next stages
B. Final scores could range from 10x10, 20x20, 30x30, 40x40, 45x45, 50x50

12. There will be one winner per category.
A. no more participation awards for everyone who competed
B. highest score wins, period
C. this will save on the expense & trouble of having plaques made and guessing how many current "AA", "A", "B", & "C" classified shooters will be
at any given match.
D. Plaques are a real chore to provide for so many categories, and all the classes in each category.
E. With only One winner, there will be just one plaque. Very simple.
F. Everyone else will just have to shoot better next time

13. Shoot-off stage can be whatever the club wants it to be, just like it is now.

14. This structure will allow a match to start with shooters at both the "chicken" bank & the "turkey" banks being used.
A. that is double the shooters at one time
B. right now, it is not until relay 4 that all distances are used
C. currently matches are slow to proceed at the start because of only chickens are being shot at

15. Eventually as all shooter's skills become elevated to the "A" classification, the chicken & pig banks won't be needed at all (except for "standing").
A. That would free up the pig line for sighters, or some kind of shoot-off in mid match, reducing shooters waiting on final scores

Playing devil's advocate here...How far would YOU travel for a 20 round match? How far would you expect others to travel for such a match? or are you talking local matches only?

[forest341]

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