This is good to know. I knew this applied to TC receivers for those of us that started with pistol receivers and then wanted to shoot rifle barrels with appropriate shoulder stocks, but had never read the wording that appears to allow XP100 receivers to be made into rifles and then returned to pistols. In the case of undesignated 700 actions, it would be prudent (for some of us) to have it made first into a pistol and designated as such, and then we would be allowed to go back & forth to rifle configuration. Whereas making an undesignated action into a rifle requires ATF approval to turn it into a pistol. Am I correct on this interpretation?338whisper2 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:22 pm Assuming that the firearm was originally a pistol, the resulting firearm, with an attached shoulder stock, is not an NFA firearm if it has a barrel of 16 inches or more in length. Pursuant to ATF Ruling 2011-4, such rifle may later be unassembled and again configured as a pistol. Such configuration would not be considered a “weapon made from a rifle” as defined by 26 U.S.C. § 5845(a)(4).
[26 U.S.C. § 5845, 27 C.F.R. § 479.11; ATF Ruling 2011-4]
Unlimited rules question
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Re: Unlimited rules question
The action serial number is recorded as undesignated at the time the form is filled out at the dealer. If it is not declared as either a handgun or rifle that serial numbered frame can alternate back and forth as a handgun and rifle and would be legal in whichever configuration at that time. The BATF does not know when you use that action as a handgun then switch to rifle and vice versa. They would just check their records to see how it was originally designated and would see it was neither a handgun nor a rifle. Also if the gun was checked at a point in time by the BATF they would not know if it have previously been used as a rifle or handgun. They would only know the use at the time they inspected the firearm. Now if the checked the action at the time it was being used as a rifle they may try to tell the owner he/she is not allowed to switch it to a handgun configuration but that is not what the law says. A shooting friend bought a Kimber 22 action and made a beautiful unlimited silhouette pistol. He keeps a copy of the original 4473 with him to show it was not designated as either a handgun or rifle. Long winded but the Feds only care how the original action was declared and some proof that it started life as just an action.
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Re: Unlimited rules question
And now back to the original Posters question.
As long as it meets our weight and length Dimensions and follows our rules, It is perfectly legal to shoot in Unlimited class. It is just your responsibility to meet BATF and state laws, But we do not care when it concerns IHMSA competition.
As long as it meets our weight and length Dimensions and follows our rules, It is perfectly legal to shoot in Unlimited class. It is just your responsibility to meet BATF and state laws, But we do not care when it concerns IHMSA competition.
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