My dollar bet

[willk]

If I had a dollar for everytime I heard that the decline of handgun silhouette is because
A. Guns are too expensive
B. Too many categories
C. Scopes
D. Guns are too expensive (this one gets repeated twice because of being mentioned so often)

Well if this is the problem, why bellyache. Go on and hold a series of matches with the simplified rules/categories that are so often pined about

Try these for rules.

1. Three categories
A. Production
B. Standing
C. Unlimited

Production and standing guns are limited to no more than $1000.00 (Just above the price of a standard S&W 629 and Ruger Super Blackhawk.) Any multi shot revolver or semi-auto pistol. No bolt or single shot handguns. No Telescopic or red dot sights allowed.

These guns must be shot exactly as they are sold, no trigger jobs, no custom grips, no extra sights, no rechambering.
Standing, gun may be shot with one hand or two hands but hands must be touching the grip, no other place
Production and unlimited may be shot standing, kneeling or prone. Again, no part of arm or firearm can touch the body, or ground and hands must be on the grips

Unlimited. Max price of guns $1000.00. Must be a single shot, Break open handgun. Must be shot in factory chambered round that is SAAMI approved. Must use sights sold with gun. If gun comes with no sight, a sight conforming to the exact shape and function of the sight on the S&W 629 and may cost no more than $100.00 may be used. No changes to the firearm is allowed. NO Telescopic or Red dot sights.

No changes to sight settings may be made during the course of fire. No modification to sights or alterations allowed including smoking the sights to reduce glare.

There is your entire rule book.

So, prove us wrong. Hold a series of matches with these rules. Show us that the masses will return to silhouette. I am sure that the folks currently running IHMSA would surely allow/encourage such simplified rules for your matches if it would encourage greater participation.

[35isit]

[braud357]

Will, Will , Will ! (I doubt that you could get anyone to take that bait !)

[nutcase]

ok, Try this:

1. must be shot with a carry gun
2. must be shot as you would a carry gun. same positions as you would a carry gun.
3. not allowed to make sight adjustments during course of fire.
4. shot on field pistol targets.

and that right there I just described 'Bordello' which has been around for many years (just never sanctioned)!

But, I will not allow a friend of mine to shoot it as his CCW list a main carry gun is a 4" barreled 454casull!

[19 Turkeys]

ok, Try this:

1. must be shot with a carry gun
2. must be shot as you would a carry gun. same positions as you would a carry gun.
3. not allowed to make sight adjustments during course of fire.
4. shot on field pistol targets.

and that right there I just described 'Bordello' which has been around for many years (just never sanctioned)! Thanks

Dave Whitman loved shooting that at JCSA in Grants Pass!

Steve W.

[ole95]

Sounds like me my 1st. Ever
Shot SB standing with Ruger single six just like left the factory. My score was a 6
Shot Field pistol bone stock 1979 model 22 Hornet. Shot a 9
It was a year before I came back to Gainsville but when I did Come back I had a Taco set up 22 contender I shot it Standing, production and Unlimited.
To answer your question no if all I could shot was What I took to my 1st. Match it would have also been my last match.
Over the years I’ve put together all I need to shoot most SB and BB classes most are set up to shoot prone with the rules change not sure if they are legal now if their deemed illegal then I’ve shot my last IHMSA match
Jrs

[Shoot2Thrill]

Sounds like me my 1st. Ever
Shot SB standing with Ruger single six just like left the factory. My score was a 6
Shot Field pistol bone stock 1979 model 22 Hornet. Shot a 9
It was a year before I came back to Gainsville but when I did Come back I had a Taco set up 22 contender I shot it Standing, production and Unlimited.
To answer your question no if all I could shot was What I took to my 1st. Match it would have also been my last match.
Over the years I’ve put together all I need to shoot most SB and BB classes most are set up to shoot prone with the rules change not sure if they are legal now if their deemed illegal then I’ve shot my last IHMSA match
Jrs

There has not been a rule change. For most concerns recently, it has been around the position not the gun. Reach out, send some pictures please.

[Alvin]

Interesting thoughts Willk.....can't agree though....Take away scopes....my matches would have folded up 20 years ago(been holding IHMSA matches for 44 years). The older guys want the scopes...we can't see iron sights anymore. I don't believe that any of the reasons that you stated really addresses the decline of IHMSA. It's a tough game and most shooters want to "run and gun" and not be tied to a slow moving accurate game that may take a few years of hard work to get that first 40. There are other reasons, but I'll not get into them at this time. And iron sights like that are on a S&W 29? Wow, pick that absolutely worse iron sights out there for a Unlimited gun? I don't think so.
If I was to hold a match under your rules....there wouldn't be anyone shooting it. But an interesting take!

[high standard 40]

Interesting thoughts Willk.....can't agree though....Take away scopes....my matches would have folded up 20 years ago(been holding IHMSA matches for 44 years). The older guys want the scopes...we can't see iron sights anymore. I don't believe that any of the reasons that you stated really addresses the decline of IHMSA. It's a tough game and most shooters want to "run and gun" and not be tied to a slow moving accurate game that may take a few years of hard work to get that first 40. There are other reasons, but I'll not get into them at this time. And iron sights like that are on a S&W 29? Wow, pick that absolutely worse iron sights out there for a Unlimited gun? I don't think so.
If I was to hold a match under your rules....there wouldn't be anyone shooting it. But an interesting take!

I think you missed his point. You and Will actually agree. He is refuting the idea that scopes and additional categories are the cause of IHMSA decline.

[19 Turkeys]

I think you missed his point. You and Will actually agree. He is refuting the idea that scopes and additional categories are the cause of IHMSA decline.

IHMSA declined when Elgin died & the the ability to buy cheap guns went away. My humble opinion.

Steve W.